Captain Scarlet's next bike

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So what will CS's next bike be?

He is man of many tastes and had ridden just about everything under the sun but is getting on.

New job and family responsibilities.

He needs a new challenge. Something different.

As a proud Canadian, I propose our answer to today's motorcycle.

Something between his new sports can and an H-D.

Maybe 3 wheels is the answer.

Behold a 2014 Can-Am Spyder.

The best of both worlds.

JAG

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The worst of both worlds!

But may be this is what he deserves for going bikeless! :-P

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This sounds awful, bike less.

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Btw, I just meet the new 1200 RT: quirk look, (probably) better aerodynamic performance/mpg, uglier than the older, in my opinion.
Any experience with it?

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OK, if 3 wheels are too many, what bout this?

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It is true that when asking a redneck to describe a sentence using the word 'fascinate', that they will often retort - 'Mi shurt has nine buttins, but I can only fasten eight'

But this aside, what a totally fascinating topic of discussion? And I must admit one which seems appealing, if arguably still one too many wheels on that one wheeled bike JAG!

Like chicken kiev's I genuinely believe that EV's are the future. Not in the traditional sense. I.e. A rich-kids play thing or eco-warriors self-righteous justification sense, but in the plain hard facts are difficult to ignore perspective.

Dump a lit match onto a barrel of 95 RON gasoline and hey presto. No eyebrows. But that’s not important right now. But the combustion is very efficient in the burning sense (and there’s not much sense in combustion not being a burning sense). But put it through an automobile (that’s a ‘car’ for Europeans watching) and it’s only about 20% efficient as an end product. JAG could bore you for days backing up this theory. And Pitsy could knock holes in that graph until the cows come home. But trust your old Uncle Scarlet, that the bottom line is inefficient and dirty, a bit like a cheap painted lady… allegedly.

By contrast our StarWars EV era sees about an 80% efficient transition from the ever improving batteries to the rear hoops. The width of which on the BMW i3 is about as skinny as my last Harley’s rear rubber incidentally. So it’s clean, it’s green, it’s efficient. But what about the cons?

What is I want to drive to Vegas?
… with the money use save on fuel, fly there. Plus when was the last time you drove to Vegas anyway?

What if I want to take the long way home?
… a 2014 Nissan Leaf can travel 100 miles, even with the air-con on. If your long way home is less than 50 miles, who cares? The latest Zero S motorcycle can do 70 miles at 70 mph too.

But it’s too slow?
… maximum torque at a lowly zero revs, means any latest EV will 0-30 as quick as my Porsche. Of course the sports-car murders it afterwards, but the majority of my 12 mile each-way commute is spent at less than 30 mph, so whose having the last laugh?

If only I had the time to re-charge its batteries?
… even America’s nanny-volt 110 there’s nothing that can’t receive a overnight cheap rate electricity 100% re-charge. Some service stations in the UK offer free charges that can provide a typical 80% re-charge in just 30 mins whilst you grab a coffee. Many grocery shops this side of the pond, like Walgreens, are offering free chargers too. Their logic is, why worry about you depleting their electricity by three bucks if you then come in and buy $300 of food?

Generalizing, in the last three years, full EV’s like the Leaf and Zero have increased their range by 30% and halved their charging time. If that trend continues, then in just five or six years, we will have cars and bikes with maybe 200-250 mile range, that you can re-charge in two hours on a regular mains voltage plug. When that happens, IMHO you’ll have a mass exodus to EV vehicles. Still not convinced?

I want to hear an engine - I don’t want an auto gearbox – I don’t trust the battery – what about the maintenance?
… Lotus, amongst others, are working on internal/external speakers – I’ll have my EV car sound like an RC173 six-cylinder two-stroke with straight thru spannies please. I’ve traditionally always been a manual box ‘real’ drivers purist, but the Porsche PDK makes a stick feel so antiquated it’s not funny; Porsche will shortly drop a manual box offering on ‘all’ of their cars according to my dealer. Nissan offer a ten year warranty on their battery. If it doesn’t hold 80% of its original charging ability they’ll replace it. There’s no engine oil, fluids to change, exhausts to rot, the only maintenance expense is rubber and brake pads. Think an NC700X is cheap to run? Think again…

For the above reasons, I think that my next vehicle ‘could’ be an EV. Particularly on the four-wheeled front. Out it this way, Porsche make Cayenne’s to off-set their green balance sheet, which enables them to still build 911 and Caymans. In time, when the parameters suit your own personal needs, you could buy an affordable EV car, to off-set buying lots of fun motorcycles to fill a void! :-D

Don’t get me wrong. I love my Cayman S a whole lot more than most of my ex-girlfriends. It’s exactly like a four-wheeled GSXR600RR! But with my logical hat on, and given my short cross-country commute and lack of dependents, the smart way to have spent similar money would have been an a used small pickup truck and a new Street Triple, R1200GS and Leaf. That would’ve covered most bases! ;-D

Are Friends Electric?

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Interesting post CS
No I don't think any bike is cheep to run other than 125s and under.(I mean used daily compared to car)
I wish I was born with better batteries I think there fading fast !

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"I wish I was born with better batteries I think there fading fast !"
... like it! :-D

I slipped on the bottom step of the stairs yesterday and managed to jolt my knee and pull something in my shoulder. Then I woke this morning to an eye infection. So my batteries are pretty abused too, they're not so rechargeable anymore.

I think the EV's will eventually have their day. Timing wise is always subjective, but the snowball is at least now rolling and growing in diameter.

Although it will be important to many, my new'ish interest in EV's is not so much one driven (sic) by fuel savings, greeness, et all. It's more about performance and reliability.

The fastest cars on the planet now use EV assist. I.e. The new Porsche and McLaren. And many, more affordable cars, are following in same. But Hybrid's don't really interest me all that much - it's kind of like doubling the solution (weight, cost, maint) for only a little more overall performance.

What is more exciting, is the linear advancing pace towards full 'performance' EV's. And I don't mean rich-things Tesla's, amazing as they are. I mean 'regular' vehicles.

In USA-Shire, the biggest selling vehicle (on the planet actually) is the half-ton sized F150 pick-up truck. Owners of trucks here love them like a family member and only ever moan about one thing, MPG.

Trucks can be as bad as single digit economy in things like the 6.2 V8 Raptor when driven hard. And they can be as good as 25 or so in the eight-speed turbo-diesel Ram.

But how good would it be to have an EV truck that made maybe the equivalent of 450 lb.ft at zero revs and returned the equivalent of 80 mpg?

If you could get a 200 miles range out of it, even gingham shirt wearing country folk might be inclined to dig deep into the sale of the farm's savings.

Impressively Norway has nearly 100% totally green electricity, produced purely by e.g. wind farms and ocean wave capturing technologies. It's also the most densely populated nation when it comes to EV's. And so arguments about 'still burning coal to make electricity' don't apply to them, but even for other nations a nuclear power station controls and cleans the burn rate with far less polutants than old fashioned coal furnance ones.

EV bikes are still not mainstream viable enough to me once you crunch the numbers. The unfortuantely named Freewind KTM was certainly interesting, mainly because of it's lightness. And Zero are at least down to more mainstream prices now whilst quoting 100 mile ranges and 90 mph top speeds (about 70m/70 mph real-world mind).

But if I were a manufacturer I wouldn't now be too focussed on a vast R&D budget for gasoline driven vehicles, because engines, gearboxes, high maint and running costs are becoming old very quickly.

I really think that by 2020 we'll see a full EV motorycle OTR for less than $15k (ten thou GBP)with a 200 mile range at 70 mph, a one-hour from empty to full charge, with a ten year battery warranty, 110 mph top speed and a sub four-second 0-60 time. Looking at BMW's i3 and i8, it could even wear a GS logo. Now there's a thought...

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Some interesting thoughts there CS. I'm finding the seemingly slow take-up of EVs to be somewhat frustrating.

I'd love to be looking to buy a Nissan Leaf or similar but the high price and lack of range mean that it's simply not a viable option.

A two-wheeled EV though - Now there's something to get then juices flowing.

As for your next bike - I'm thinking that a back-to-basics approach may be the way ahead. A Norton 961 like mine perhaps?

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Take up of the (arguably boring) Prius was steady here. The (interesting IMPO) Volt has sold okay - there's two owners on my sub-division, for instance. But I see maybe 4 or 5 Leaf's on my daily commute. They genuinely always surprise me at low to medium speeds, in terms of swift acceleration away from the lights and darting ahead into gaps at 30-50 mph.

I don't know about the UK and other countries. But in the US, in my state, the Leaf is $28,980 (GBP 18,000). But that's before a government rebate of $7,500 (GBP 4,650). So $21.480 (GBP 13,340), plus OTR costs.

But additionally there's 10% tax reduction on any home fitted dedicated 240V charger (contrary to popular belief American homes do have 240V, it's just that their regular ring mains run 110V). That will half charging time and additionally in my state the local electricity company offer discounted electricity on the 240V supply if you can prove you have a full EV.

You'll only save maybe $2,500 (GBP 1,500) or so each year on fuel, but remember that's 'every' year, just as discounted electricity is (hopefully) in perpetuity until EV's have made petrol cars dinosaurs.

Looked at it as an overall saving or circa $3k (GBP 2k) a year. It means that in just seven years, the savings alone have repaid 100% of the overall purchase price. And you'd still have three years left of the battery warranty. And if you can get your electricity for free via other people's and companies charging stations, that cost is recouped even sooner. Makes you think doesn't it?

Now, getting back to stuff that makes our jaws drop. I remember seeing new-Norton for the first time at the NEC Show. And bizarrely I was standing next to Gordon Ramsey who was chatting to Norton owner Stuart at the time. Plus I had the then marketing manager (I think?) Chris ('Stalker') Walker to my other side. I suspect they all thought I was somebody important lol! ;-D

I thought the bikes looked stunning. I expected them to look good, go well enough, sound stunning and be reliable. I just expected delivery to be frustratingly slow. I wasn't too far off the mark in my summation.

I really like the way the 961 looks. But it's the DomiRacer (spelling?) that has really caught my eye. I love it's stripped own look. I also like the BMW NineT looks with both the cafe racer rear end fitted and perhaps even more with the whole rear sub-frame/pillion seat removed. A sort of PB Thug bike if you remember that one-off special that the magazine did a few years back.

Something like either of those two might certainly float my boat whenever the time comes. Like my new four-wheeled (sacrilege) toy, they are the sort of objects that after wiping them down in the garage, you just want to see there with a mug of coffee and drown in their deep paint finish and get carried away with their flowing lines and intricate engineering pieces. Bikes eh? Bloody hell! :-D

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Bike purchases usually are based on emotion.

I understand where CS is coming from. The sad thing is, he is probably right for those interested in getting from A to B.

From my point of view there is no practical reason to ride a bike. Both my wife and I have our own 4 wheel vehicles. I have a Ford Ranger pickup and my wife a Kia Rondo. The Kia has worked out very well so far. Even though the engine is smaller and a 2.4 liter 4 cylinder, it feels more powerful than the 3 liter Ford and rides a lot better. I think the Kia even gets a little better MPG.

Buying a bike was an emotional decision. The cost of maintenance and insurance far outweigh any gain from better MPG.

I LIKE riding a bike that feels alive. I LIKE the sound of a well tuned engine. I LIKE shifting gears. I LIKE the feeling of an open road.

I like how an engine changes tone under load.

I like the sound of an H-D at idle and when it accelerates away.

I even like a little engine and road vibration.

I like to see the many parts of a bike. The engine, brakes, frame, suspension and so on.

I want my bikes to feel alive, to be honest.

I can't see how an EV bike can give that.

Finally, after a good ride I just like to look at it and enjoy the engineering and attention to detail of its components.

I know a lot of people who have never even opened the hood (bonnet) of their car or even know of any of the engineering that went into the car.

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I know where you are coming from. Certainly if the decision whether to buy a bike vs buying a car purely came down to logic and functionality, the motorcycle would be a hard sell. But I think we'd also be fooling ourselves if we thought they were mutually exclusive.

I like the smell of the countryside when I ride - nothing a I can't get in a convertible. And so it is the same with EV's, it's just that we're not in tune with that yet. Rather than an EV not being able to give us what we think, in the main, it probably can.

EV's can provide a soundtrack. In fact pretty much any digital soundtrack you'd like. Personally I'd love an EV car in the mold of the Ariel Atom, with all the brakes, frame, suspension and so on displayed. There's nothing disingenuous or mutually exclusive in that.

In addition EV's could give us more than our current experience. After a days thrashing, to a headache inducing TZ350 soundtrack, wouldn't it be nice to effectively 'turn the engine sound off' if we chose to? Or to have an XJ220 blast coming out of the EV, only to toggle it quickly to C50 step-thru mode when we spot the policeman half a mile up the road.

Bikes should make us feel alive. EV PTW's with launch control making max torque at zero revs (no graph needed for that one!) ought to feel 'alive' shouldn't they?

As EV's are cutting edge technology, why do we feel we can't admire their engineering? Will motorcycles not still need suspension, brakes, frames, yolks, levers, bodywork and what not? Does the BMW i3 not ride on a carbon fiber mesh frame?

It's not really so different. Obviously it's fuel (hydrogen) or battery (electric) cell, rather than a chromed v-twin say. But who is to say that gas engine are beautiful? Or that a fuel cell cannot be made to look aesthetically beautiful? You can bet the first HD EV will have a chromed fuel cell! :-D

I totally agree that many people have never opened the hood on their cars. They'd certainly get confused opening the rear trunk and front hood (or 'frunk') on my car as there's no engine to see! I think your comment is especially true of my fellow umbrella stands, I mean Americans. I often ask people what size their engine is, only to be told a 'V6'. Oh well...

I think that whether we like it or not, EV's and probably eventually hydrogen motorcycles will supersede mineral burning vehicles, as the automobile did to the horse and cart. But I suspect that maybe by the time a mainstream motorcycle makes a ZX14R feel slow and peaky, you may have already hung up your lid by then!

My prediction of the demise of gas/petrol burners from five years or so onwards may be judged a little premature. But here's two new facts feeding the food thoughts:

I read this week that by 2020 Obama has said that all U.S. new vehicles sold will have to be capable of achieving 50 mpg. And for my Brit brothers, remember that a U.S. gallon is smaller than yours and 3.5 liter V6's are often referred to as 'small' engines here.

And, I also read on the BBC web site, that Nissan will introduce a full EV London black-cab taxi by 2020. And they're having to introduce a 4-cylinder 1.6 gas/petrol NV based model right now, because the diesel's are struggling with both emissions and economy.

Hhhhmm it's got me thinking now. An Atom or Caterham EV and an RG250R or DomiRacer aping EV. Those could be interesting!

Glad you like the Kia. They're made here in Georgia. I really like some of the latest models like the K900. A friend has one that's done a couple of hundred thousand trouble free miles. Kia and Hyundai might not be too big brand wise on the other side of the pond, but Hyundai are massive globally. Only Ford, GM and Toyota are bigger I believe. I.e. They're bigger than the VW group, and that's truly huge right across Europe.

Getting back on topic. Not sure about my next bike at all. I like the idea of a cafe racer, a fire-roads middleweight adventure soft-roader, or a lightweight (relative) cruiser - a Bolt, 48 or another FatBob perhaps. I suspect it'll be something modest yet nice, like a used Tiger 800. If I had the money I'd probably be tempted by a seventh boxer. The GS amazes me. But the R1200RT is probably the one I'd go for right now. Well, I say that... ;-D

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http://www.feddz.de/en-DE/technik.aspx
extraordinary torque...almost a motorbike /bicycle hybrid at motorcycle price though

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Looks cool. Bit pricey and heavy though. I think the bikes will continue to improve.

Car wise, I was thinking more along these lines: http://youtu.be/369h-SEBXd8

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Hello kharli and CS,

Sunshine today!

Got above freezing. Saw three bikes.

GOOD TIMES ARE ON THEIR WAY!

Took a look at the old ZX. Bit of cleanup needed, me thinks.

The old girl started right up. Just turned over once and caught on. Idled smoothly and sounded good. I am very happy. I didn't even have to charge up the battery over the winter. Good thing because the battery is inside the middle of the frame. Not so easy to get at.

Attached a picture of the chain after sitting all winter. Looks pretty bad.

Now I know why I like shaft drive bikes.

I find if I get a good oversized cover for the bike and when it gets cold pour water around the bottom edge of the cover that's touching the ground. It freezes and forms a seal all winter long.

In the spring just put rock salt from the roads to melt the ice when you want to get the bike out of its little tent.

;-)

JAG

Sorry you can't do that in Georgia, CS.

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Wow, that chain looks bad JAG!

I've personally always thought bike covers are an extremely bad idea. Even the one's that claim to breathe. To me it just seems to incubate moisture in the same way that if you chop up a cucumber, put the pieces into a sealed food bag and leave it in the fridge a couple of days - it's just going to sweat and exacerbate any problem.

In my last few years in the UK I didn't used to ride much between Nov-Apr because the road salt would soon make anything remotely shiny look like your chain and sprockets, and it used to get too cold for me; surprisingly the rain never used to bother me - England's an island, people there do get over it!

But that didn't stop me smothering everything in ACF50 (excellent) and F360 (a bit runny) at every opportunity. Plenty of Scottoil lubricant put on the chain too. I'd also use smooth Hammerite paint on anything susceptible to tarnishing and dulling, like banjo bolts and kick-plates etc.

But for the really important stuff to protect like chrome, polished alloy or other key areas, I'd smear it with generous amounts of Vaseline petroleum jelly. Of course throughout winter it looked like a gargoyle with a hangover. And was a bitch-supreme to smear off come the spring. But there's no denying that it kept everything pristine and shiny come time to sell it privately or trade it in.

The only other things I'd do is use a gently hand-pumped water sprayer from a garden center to hose down the lights and brake disks after every wet or salty roads ride. It was strong enough to remove the salt, but too soft to remove the layers of dried protectant on other areas of the bike like sprockets and wheels.

I'm an avid cleaner and spent three hours cleaning the Porsche last weekend, the same this weekend, on top of using the Dyson in five rooms and hard floors cleaner on the main level today (no I'm not free to clean your house, car, bike, etc!). But I don't mind cleaning (Harley's can test your patience mind!), it's all part of becoming intimate with a machine I think, and helps highlight any potential mechanical or cosmetic problems early.

I couldn't see my chain and sprockets looking like that without reaching for an old toothbrush, a tube of metal polish and can of chain lube. For those who don't like cleaning, buy a shaft-drive bike in metallic silver - a combination that's always hard to go wrong with!

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Yep, that chain looks pretty bad JAG. How are you going to get it looking pristine once more I wonder? Let us know how you do!

I too suffer from Obsessive Compulsive Disorder (OCD) when it comes to bike cleaning. I find it soothing though, especially when the end result looks as good as the Norton does.

I managed some 180 miles on it last Saturday and I can now safely say that the running-in process is complete. Now I just need to get the louder (Which from now on will be referred to as 'More appropriate') exhaust cans fitted and away we go.

pictures to follow soon. Go on CS - You know it makes sense and the Norton really does tick that visceral/alive box very firmly indeed!

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Good morning CS and Navy Boy,

Excellent Advice CS.

I especially like the vasoline idea CS on the chain and shiny meal parts like the wheel rims. Not the brake parts though.

The wheel rims came though very well over the winter. I think Kawasaki must put some like of clear coat on them. Not a mark on them.

In defence of Kawasaki I must say that the owners manual recommends cleaning the chain well and lubing the chain well before storage for a long period of time. The also recommended lubing bolts and screws ect.

The truth is I was simply LAZY. Even my wife warned me.

You are right CS. Even with a good cover a lot of moisture still comes up through the wet ground over the winter.

I agree with you CS. Right now the bike needs a GOOD GENTLE (not high pressure) cleaning with just water to wash off any salt. Then clean the brakes with good brake cleaner then warm soapy water and a good polish.

I will try a metal polish and brush on the chain. Good idea. I did give the chain a good cleaning with chain cleaner and a brush and then applied a good chain lube. It cleaned up pretty good. Not perfect but functional.

I was thankful I purchased a center stand for the ZX from Kawasaki. Made chain cleaning easier.

After the chain issue and adjusting the chain I have to give BMW a big check mark for their shaft drive bikes.

So the 961 is officially broken in. Good news.

The sad thing is Kawasaki already makes a good bike with shaft drive. Just make it naked with the 1441 engine and a 12 Volt outlet. The best idea would be to hire the fellow who designed the looks of the 961.

Won't look as good as Navy Boy's 961 I fear. That is one lovely bike! Who sells them in Canada? Would love to seen one in the flesh.

Dear Lord, Navy Boy, I would kill to have those beautiful mufflers on my ZX and you want to change them! Could those original 961 cans fit a ZX? Maybe we could trade? ;-) A 961 NEEDS really big black monster mufflers!

How does the 961 handle and brake?

I NEED A GARAGE!

Good times are coming,

JAG

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The 961 handles and brakes very well indeed. The engine certainly lets you know that it's churning away underneath you however it's not intrusive. I find it endearing in fact.

The mufflers will be the same size and shape as the originals, they'll just be a little less restrictive so fear not, the looks will be retained.

I'm glad to see that the ZX's chain has come up OK once more.

Now then - CS' next bike? A Domiracer would be nice but that seat (Or what there is of it...) looks to be cripplingly uncomfortable.

A Triumph Speed Triple R perhaps?

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Norton 961 in Canada

Looks like Canada is now selling the Norton 961. The head office is in Newmarket Ontario, Canada. That's about an easy 1 hour ride from my place.

I now know where I am going this spring on one of my first bike rides. Hope they allow Kawasaki's on their lot.

Navy Boy, how is the fueling and or throttle control on your 961?

How is the low and mid range power?

I emailed Norton in Canada to see the bike and maybe, if I am lucky, a test ride.

Imagine, a classic Brit bike that is reliable and oil tight!

In 1969 I fell in love with the Norton 750 Commando. Wanted it soooo bad. Bought a Honda CB450 instead because it was a little cheaper, had an electric starter and a 5 speed gear box and was reliable and oil tight. The CB was a good bike as long as I didn't see a Commando.

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JAG

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Navy Boy. Spot on with that Domiracer seat and the Street Triple R. I suffer from a lack of derriere padding and so quality suspension and gel seats help me no end. I love my triples and the R is more than trick and fast enough for my needs nowadays. Maybe one for the future.

"I like the vasoline idea CS on the chain"
... never put it on your chain, it will attract and hold dirt, then begin to act like grinding paste.

"The wheel rims came though very well over the winter"
... Kawasaki have significant increased their build quality in the last ten years I've noticed.

"Even my wife warned me"
... apparently we hear but don't listen! ;-D

"Even with a good cover a lot of moisture still comes up"
... turns it into a greenhouse. Fresh air wicks moisture away, so ideally you want it covered but in a well ventilated environment. Like... erm, a garage! :-D

"Right now the bike needs cleaning to wash off any salt"
... too late! :-D

Then clean the brakes and a good polish.
... don't polish the disks! :-D

I will try a metal polish and brush on the chain.
... a brush yes, metal polish no. You don't want to be wearing down chain links or grinding chain seals, although I guess they're sealed on the Kawa. Either way, spray it with something like WD40 and use a mid-bristle on the harshness scale brush, to clean as much muck off it as will come off. Dry it all off with a cleanish cotton rag, then apply geneous amounts of fresh lube. If you're lazy (and we've established you are! ;-D) try the chain lube paste stuff that sticks and changes color to show where you've applied it/it's fresh. And consister fitting a Scotoiller, you'll make Shuggs proud!

"I have to give BMW a big check for their shaft drive"
... me too, especially for perservering throughout the eighties in particular when their paralever rear end took a lot of negative press feedback for being heavy and not fully curing the rising feeling when accelerating. Nowadays of course they feel exactly like a well adjusted chain does and any sprung weight penalty is easily outweighed by the sheer convenience. On the LC boxer they've also made it easier to remove the entire shaft assembly. Ironically at a time when they seem to have fully sorted it's reliability - ha! ;-D

Kawasaki already makes a good bike with shaft drive
.. the 14GTR is an excellent bike. It's just unfortunate that the Triumph Trophy and the just released BMW R1200RT-'LC' are now better. But all of those bikes are less sporty than the ZZR. The old and over-priced IMPO Yam 1300 is lighter and sportier, as is the VFR1200; but neither seem that well loved. I've ridden both and liked them, but if I was buying a new bike in this sector it would only take me two seconds to make it the BMW. It looks the best developed by a country mile and if it's as good as the GS, just more practical, it will win many friends.

"Who sells them in Canada?"
... the Norton web site has all the dealers globally listed

"I NEED A GARAGE!"
... d'ya fink? ;-D

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Captain Scarlet,

Good advise. Do you make house calls?

Lube on the discs. Bad idea. I found out on the old Honda V65 lube on the discs is a bad idea. Helps prevent rust on the dics but bad for the pads. I found out the only cure was to change the pads and really clean the discs with disc cleaner.

Before changing the pads on my first ride with the Honda after the winter when I used the brakes I was in for a real shock. The front brakes hardly stopped the bike at all.

Live and learn.

I have attached a picture of the Honda wheel rim after one winter under a cover. Very bad. I had the same bike for ten years in a garage and barn. No problems except for bird poo when in the barn. Bird poo is very hard on metal surfaces if left on for several years so I found out.

The next is the front disc brake on the Kawasaki ZX after one winter. No lubing of the disc this time.

Another lesson learned.

I think your advise for the uninformed and lazy would make a good thread regarding winter storage.

God bless shaft drive bikes and garages!

JAG

Honda 1984 1100 V65 Sabre rims after 1 winter.jpg 2012 ZX-14R after 1 winter front disc bakes small.jpg
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The Kawasaki looks pretty decent. Don't worry about a bit of surface rust on discs after a winter lay-up, unless the rust isn't smooth or the discs are pitted. Just give them a couple of hard emergency stops on dry roads when the coast is clear.

The 'only' reason discs are made of stainless steel is so that they don't tend to rust easily and it makes them look pretty. Cast iron (rusts like buggery) actually make for better stopping power (seriously), if offset by their extra weight, but of course nobody wants ugly rusty disc!

This is my idea of a clean bike. Ahem, I mean, car! http://tinyurl.com/kcxoo48

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Hi kharli,

Does the mower have two or three blades for cutting the grass?

For the very rough tall stuff I prefer a two blade system, especially if the grass is wet. A two blade mower doesn't seem to get clogged up so easy as a three blade under these conditions. If the grass is not too long a three blade deck does a nicer job.

We must see CS's lot to check out how big it is to advise.

Maybe go for a quick spin in his very clean and shiny Porsche. I have never driven a Porsche but am willing to give it a go.

I'll bring the ZX for a chain adjustment and a good cleaning. CS can show us how it is done correctly while we drink his cold beer and sit in his car.

Guess what! This Sunday the temp is supposed to go up to 10C and SUNNY!!!! Can't wait !

JAG

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Nice.

10 degrees you say JAG. Sounds good!

As for CS' next machine - How about one of these new Yamaha MT-09s that everyone seems to be getting so excited about?

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Good morning Navy Boy,

Just have to give the bike a quick clean and polish and I am ready for Sunday.

Got the cam recorder all charged up. Plan to go to Twin Forks for my first run. There should be LOTS of bikes there if the weather is good. Nice little ride to check things out and clean the discs.

CS seems to be hooked on BMW. Not a bad choice really.

I was thinking something like this.

Easy on his poor back and wrists riding in the side car. The fellow looks quite comfortable.

JAG

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A friend recently asked me should he buy an MT09 (FZ09 in these here hills) or a Street Triple. I said that both have excellent engines but that the Yamaha has too soft budget suspension and a full-on jerky throttle response at low RPM, meaning you'd need a power commander and some revalve and shimming work done, which would bring the cost up to the Triumph, which simply works; so I'd buy the Triumph. So... he bought the Yamaha! :-D

He seems happy enough... except for the 'abysmal' (his words) throttle response... and the too budget suspension. He's talking about buying a power commander and upgrading the suspension component. Erm... hello!!! :-D

That sidecar looks comfy I must say. Probably a lot easier to get in and out of than my Porsche. I'd be tempted to disconnet the bath-tube from the Ural(?) and fit a Goldthang engine to the tub. Stealthy...

As for grass - the type you cut, rather than smoke, somewhere in the following link you'll find a front and rear view of me humble abode. I'm more of a wine and spirits man, which you're welcome to drink - just not in my car! BTW, I've laid artifical grass in the outdoor 'cat enclosure' - saves having to buy a Honda lawnmower - which otherwise would naturally have six blades: titanium, magnesium, carbon fiber, unobtainium, doshinium and magma; and be sprayed in the Africa Twin r/w/b/ colors... oh, yeah.

http://s1128.photobucket.com/user/Diavel666/slideshow/Home%20Improvements

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Hi Navy boy /JAG/CS. The MT 09 seems a great bike let down only by poor range before fill-ups . Some note a snatchy wireless throttle . However sounds great for the price . A friend of mine has decided to go for
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/mcn/bikereviews/searchresults/bike-reviews...
for cost/blast/reliability look out hedges !!
Love the sidecar outfit I expect Unconventional rebel is the expert there . Looks like serious mileage from those tyres. Not sure what the canisters on the front are ? Anyone know what the jumping horse represents?
The front number plate looks like it will fool speed cameras too (for going to slow ?? hehe)