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Happy to help :-)

Hard to tell for definite but I'd say it is a BMW R75, WW2 German army. The jumping horse is a vehicle marking used to identify which division it's part of, probably an armored division? They were used extensively for reconnaissance & dispatches.

The canisters on the top are for gas masks, the panniers on the nose were originally metal and used for ammunition for a machine gun mounted on the chair. It looks to me like the mount has been adapted to hold the gas mask canisters (by the crew as it's not a usual mod?). The guns & ammo boxes were often removed later in the war as they were not much use by then (too exposed) and the ammo box mounts now used for the canvas panniers we see here. In addition the guns were often ditched as too much weight on the front of a chair is a bad thing, it increases the tendency for the outfit to tip forward while braking on a left hander, the nose to dig in and everything to end in tears.

The tyres are heavy duty as all of the wheels are interchangeable, so they all need to be of use on the drive wheel(s). Riding an outfit like this handling is not really affected much by the rubber.

And yes, the chairs are very comfortable even in use and off road. Decent seats, proper shock absorbed suspension and a chair which is rubber sprung mounted to the chassis. My wife now refuses to travel in any other type.

The Urals and Dneprs around today are a development of this BMW, very similar to the 1956 model.

If you read this far, sorry, but you did ask....!

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Yes, but has it got a cool plate?

My 'AROOGAH' plate arrived today! :-D

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Hey unconventional rebel,

The Brits were impressed with the BMW motorbike and side car. But like CS they didn't like the side car.

So they improved BMW's concept. Took what was good and took off what was bad and made it better. Advanced engineering at its best.

You want three wheels but no side car? No problem.

You want two wheel drive in a motorbike? No problem.

I present to you for your pleasure the OCE.

Like CS has said before, the simplest solution is usually the best solution.

I hope Triumph reads Ashonbikes.

The one small problem was that it actually didn't go around corners very well (or hardly at all). I personally think the TYRE (not tire) prsssures were incorrect. The test riders complained they got TIRED (not tyred) trying to control it.

JAG

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The Big OCE eh? It's amazing what must have gone through some engineers minds isn't it? Still it looks light. And probably produces more power from that battery at the back than the engine itself!

Taking battery power, and interesting discussion... http://youtu.be/ddmRJ4rxTxw

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EV

Good discussion CS about EV's. One of the fellows was also a biker. Interesting points made.

After viewing the link I kind of felt like my grandfather back in 1914 complaining about those noise, dirty, expensive and unreliable horseless carriages. He would have wanted to keep his horse.

They did address the sound issues. EV sounds are just different but not as loud.

Thanks CS,

JAG

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ty UCR read to the end with pleasure.
Whats Carolines next bike?
Weather ok so off for the usual family catch up . I will never tire of the trip through dumfries and galloway back roads ,through north Pennine way to Darlington ,then i follow bicycle routes to Bradford . Biking heaven whatever your on . Front tyre down to wear marks ,considering a T30.
Hope JAG got out for the spring sunshine ,i dont think any bike likes being stood to long
With the pollution England has experienced i expect those gas cannisters to make a comeback !
Well after many many thousands of miles considering mpg i think laying off the brakes and keeping speed under 70-75 makes the most difference. Got a very pleasing 80mpg on my 300 mile run ,but no thrashing and rolling off the throttle in plenty of time before corners ..same run in a hurry probably 65mpg. Fast motorway against the wind the worst by far probably 55mpg..i think slightly less than that once . Keeping my brakes clean and free must help a bit to . Ride safe m8tys

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"ty UCR read to the end with pleasure"
... not sure what you're trying to say here, but I do hope it's "just read Captain Scarlet's novel '04:15' and read to the end with pleasure!" ;-D

I sat on the NC750X yesterday. It felt pretty good, certainly nicer than the whole foot of front end travel when I sat on the FZ09/MT-09, the Yam's front end felt like off-road KTM, WTF? Amazing MPG Kharli. I got 21.8 (U.S.) mpg, thrashing the Porsche through the mountains yesterday and thought that was pretty good! :-D

I also went to my Harley shop to look at the latest models yesterday. There's nothing in any of the ranges that currently interests me, not that I have a hole burning anyway.

The bikes I quite admire at the moment are: Street Triple R, Tiger 800, FZ09/MT-09, R1200RT-W, R1200GS-W, NC750X and maybe (time-out on) the Thunderbird LT. If I had the money, one of the BMW's would still be hard to ignore for me, I just like German engineering in the main. What about you guys?

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When to Twin Forks

It was sunny but only about 7 C.

Still a good collection of bikes at the coffee shop.

I have attached a few pictures.

My favourite was the 900 BMW.

The 1986 Ducati 750 was an interesting model I have not seen before. The owner was very kind and started up for me to record the sound. He indicated only about 5 of these were imported to Canada.

The big black Honda 1800 looked massive. Lots of black plastic to keep shiny. The owner likes the bike a lot. Very smooth and quiet and reliable and handles pretty good considering its weight.

A bit cool but still a great day. Good to be back on the bike. The ZX ran good. The discs cleaned up well as CS indicated they would.

LOTS of BMW 1200 twins with big knobby tires there. Looks like they are all ready to go to the Yukon.

I thought that the Honda 1800 might work for CS and especially his wife.

Enjoy,

JAG

1986 Ducati 750 and rider April 6 2014.jpg 1986 Ducati 750 front April 6 2014.jpg 1987 Ducati Twin Forks April 6 2014.jpg BMW 900 Twin Forks April 6 2014.jpg Honda 1600 Twin Forks April 6 2014.jpg
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I like the Ducati Paso myself. You don't see many of them anymore.

Saw another Street Triple R this last weekend at my local dealer. You know it makes sense CS!

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It works Navy Boy !

I tried the chin pointing in the direction of the turn on Sunday. It worked beautifully. Your body also follows your chin in a turn.

Just apply a little forward pressure on the handle bar on the side in the direction of the turn and point your chin to where you want to go. Your body automatically leans into the direction of the turn. Just lightly brake, if required, and drop a gear before entering the turn, hold a steady speed in the turn and SLOWLY apply throttle as you come out of the turn. Beautiful! The bike felt so secure and smooth. Like it was on rails.

Thanks Navy Boy.

JAG

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Jolly Good JAG. Glad to be of service.

Now you'll just have to get out there and practice! Schucks!

The bit about getting your speed and gear sorted before the bend (If possible) is a good one too. Glad you've got that one well and truly licked.

I've thought of another bike for CS to try.

A Moto Guzzi Griso. Whaddya reckon CS? They're beautiful, different and technically interesting.

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Moto Guzzi for CS,

Saw a Guzzi beside the Ducati on Sunday.

Nice exhaust sound. Good sized bike but looks comfortable.

I have been seeing more Guzzi's these last few years. Many more Guzzi's than ZX's.

JAG

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I'm totally unsure about this factoid (but I am sure that word isn't English!) btu I think, maybe, possible, could be, well I think so anyway... that the Paso was the first fuel injected Ducati? I do recall seeing a few circa 1986 and every time I saw an owner trying to start one it would take several attempts, for 'whatever' reason. But once started it sounded really fit. Even with standard exhausts it sounded like a modern day Ducati wearing Termi's. Of course it blatantly copied the jelly-mould CBR600FB of the day, but in an Italian kind of way. I liked it's sleek and futuristic look, but sadly few other did it seemed and it didn't sell well, although suspect reliability in them days did it no favors either. Very sadly indeed, it's designer (and designer of the 916) the great Tamburini has just passed away: http://www.motorcyclenews.com/mcn/news/newsresults/general-news/2014/apr...

I've met one rider who owns the cut down Wing-thing. He'd done a lot of north east America riding in very short succession of owning it. He also had a Street Glide and something else that escapes my memory, but he loved the Honda. The engine is as old as the hills now, a good twenty years undeveloped I think, but then again if it ain't broke...

I think the beemer is actually an R90S, but it's wearing the wrong screen, it should have a headlight fairing. It was the most desirable BMW of the day because it had long gearing for back then which made it fast and it was sporty looking. Used to look best in silver with overlaid smoky edged orange - sounds a recipe for disaster but looked good and went better. A friend who owned a beemer shop once lent me one for a sunny weekend; thoroughly enjoyable.

Normally I'd leave Guzzi's for Ewan McGregor (official ambassader nowadays doncha know)to bang on about their virtues. However I am warming to one model. It's not the Griso, that was a big step in the right direction, but not quite enough for me, or the Stelvio, when the competition is so white hot. It's actually the current California cruiser; which is probably the coolest custom without a screen/fairing at the moment. I think Indian have done a wonderful job with the new Chieftan. And Yamaha should be commended for the price and performance of the little Bolt too. But for a mix of image, character, quality and low maint, the new Guzzi gets that nod. But too expensive for me... that Street Triple looks appealing! ;-D

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Excellent summary CS,

I think you missed your calling!

In regards to the Ducati 750. His is carbureted. Funny you should mention the starting issues. The owner spent a year fixing it up before taking it on the road.

Two things he changed. The carburetors and tires. He says now it actually starts. Big improvement. Getting the right sized tyres also took some time.

I remember that half fairing BMW 900. My ex father-in-law, a proud German, always wanted a BMW motorcycle. When he retired he bought a second hand BMW 900 with that orange half fairing. After I offered to wash the bike he let me take it for a short ride.

I was riding the 1984 Honda V65 Sabre at the time. I kept telling him how advanced and great the Honda was. I don't think it made much difference to him. He liked German vehicles. That was it. He liked his VW and 240 D diesel Benz. What is it about Germans and their diesels?

To be honest I never liked that orange colour.

I like shiny black paint with fine pin stripping (Norton 961).

First time on a BMW.

The first thing I noticed was that the cylinder pots were NOT together! One was a little further ahead than the other! That drove me crazy! Who would do that? That one pot on the gear shifter side felt too close. I rode it pretty softly and shifted it early. You are right, under these conditions it felt like I was always one gear too high.

We are going to get you on another bike yet CS.

Regards,

JAG

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Had an R65 for a while, I liked it but it never won my heart. Now the Guzzi Cali... that bike is the one for me.

Not just a bike now but an old friend that puts a smile on my face every time we meet. I love the exhaust note, I love the looks (particularly in it's current, err, evolved state). I love throwing it round bends trying without success to touch the pegs down (and I can drag the pegs on the V Strom so it's not that I'm too timid). I love the Marzocchi forks and the brembo brakes, the design and the engineering. I love the big shaking thud of the engine and the way it throws itself sideways when you blip the throttle. I love rolling into a bike cafe car park on a sunny Saturday, despite the expressions of disdain as the riders of immaculate (unused...) hero bikes take in the beat up finish on the well used old war horse.

I'd like a Guzzi Vintage (and a V7) but I can't see me selling my old faithful Cali.

Did I mention I like Guzzi's?
Everyone should ride one, for a while at least. Go on CS, you know you want to....

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I rode a V11 Sport back in 2000. Liked it but wasn't sufficiently convinced to swap my Honda Firestorm for it at the time.

Perhaps I'd see things differently now??

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"What is it about Germans and their diesels?"
... I must be a bit Germanic, as I love modern turbo-diesels too. When I bought a new Audi the turbo-diesel and the petrol version cost the same price. I bought the TD and all my friends thought I'd done it for economy reasons, but I'd actually done it for its torques. I couldn't get away from the fact that it had 50% more torques at half the revs of the gas car. If I also got 50% more mpg and an increased tank range, plus longer service intervals, then they were just convenient by products. I found myself cruising at 90 mph on my daily commute, returning 50 mpg average and equating to a range of 500 miles. I also found myself more often as not the very fastest away from the lights each time, whilst not pressing the accelerator very hard. Often gas cars would come screaming passed me sometime up the road clearly racing me when I was doind nothing or the sort, just enjoying the ample midrange torques. American's need to get over their fear of TD's IMHO and think about what a 4 liter TD car with 500 lb.ft and 35 mpg might be like to drive. Today's tutonic sermon over ;-D

"To be honest I never liked that orange colour"
... strange as you let your brake carriers turn on orangey brown ;-D

"I like shiny black paint with fine pin stripping (Norton 961)"
... classic black is always hard to dislike, especially coupled with some delicate pinstripes and a smattering of chrome isn't it? I always loved the JPS Norton spray job and indeed the F1 car's color scheme even more. I'd probably spray the silver wheels of my black Porsche gold, were it not for the boredom of fending off comments by those that'd hate the retro look. Ho hum, class, you've either got it...

"I noticed was that the cylinder pots were NOT together! One was a little further ahead than the other! That drove me crazy! Who would do that?"
... this might actually shock you, but I once noticed that the cylinders on my Ducati were miles apart too! :-D If both pistons could use the same conrod, then it wouldn't be a problem, but in an opposed engine either the left or right cyclinders will have to be a conrods width in front of their mirror image; I don't suppose it's any different in my Cayman S engine bay either. If you haven't worked it out already, it is impossible to beat an inline four in terms of technical design. Preference is something else of course. And designs such as boxers and Guzzi transverse v-twins kind of work despite themselves, not because it couldn't be done more efficiently. The 991 shouldn't work, the bumble bee shouldn't be able to fly, but somehow they both operate beautifully. But in a fight, my monies on the honey-badger; right nasty bast...

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How about the latest VFR800 CS? It's been praised quite highly in this week's Motorcyclenews here in the UK and looks rather classy I must say.

Or… A BMW S1000R? I quite like the look of that little badger!

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I remember Mark Knopfler once saying he used to pine longingly over a lipstick red guitar in a shop window on the way home from school. He knew what the catalogue smelled like and used to dream of aspiring to own one.

I used to feel the same about a bright red VFR. It seemed like the perfect Captain Scarlet mobile. But after I bought an 800FI, I enjoyed it for the first 500 miles and then soon became bored with it and sold it within a thousand miles; very quickly, even for me!

It didn't have the soul or character of a boxer, Harley or Ducati. It didn't have the soiled pants propulsion of an inline four thou. It was a bit like a pretty girl who had eaten one too many cakes. I'm not pointing fingers, I used to be a very pretty boy, but now look like a mangled cake!

Credit (I suppose, begrudgingly) to Honda for revamping the old girl (a little). But I chastise them severely for not giving 100,000 motorcyclists what they asked for, a lighter and thousand cc version circa year 2000. A case of too little too late in some way, especially as the jerky 1200 disappointed those it should have delighted. I rode the 1200 and liked it. It moved me well, but didn't move my soul. Considering I was riding a K1300S at the time, which is a bit of a clinical two-wheeled M5 in itself, told me all I need to know. Nicely built the VFR12, but a nearly bike really, just like the new'un I suspect.

Now the S1000R, that'll be ya Huckleberry. If honey-badgers ride (and who’s to say they don't?) it's got to be their weapon of choice for out-gunning those pesky bees. Of course BMW copied my AC Schnitzer high-barred StreetFighter S1000RR, but I'll not fret! ;-D It's not as pretty as the full-faired beast, especially when fitted with the fugly touring screen, and the stand out feature cyclops lazy-eye is more prominent on the neckid. But up to 9k it's producing more hp and torques than the RR in a slightly lighter and lower geared package. Hello... I'll say that again... well, perhaps not, but you get the picture. Rock on Mista Beemer and your weirdy beardy freaky deeky welly wearing Sam Browne loving owners... erm, having had six I've just shot myself in the foot there, haven't I? If I go crazy with my next bike, I wouldn't mind one, I must say.

So I've been bike-less about four months now I think. My Porsche is a month old, so it's time to stop polishing that as though it's made of unobtainium. And (cue huge sigh from the masses) I'm already starting to miss my bike! Or as Dumpy's Rusty Nuts once sang, 'I'f there's one thing that I like, it's a burn-up on my bike, a burn-up on my bike - that's what I like! Now the M1 ain't much fun, 'till you try and do a ton, a burn-up on my bike, that's what I like'! So, yar, arktooley, quite missing the pollen blasts up the nostrils, the 'Are you myopic? Twat!' rants at transcendental tin-box plodders. And of course the real reason why we ride. No... not 'freedom'. That's for Jockshire to contemplate. No... the real reason why we ride... to get away from 'people'. Oh yeah, people we work with, people we're related to, people we shower with (...ahem), I just like to get away from my cat now and then, you got a problem with that?

I think I'm might end up with another bike before the fall. Whilst in Britshire I'd be ready to put my bike away for the winter (read: ice age commeth) then, it's around 90F at the moment and climate controlled cars with cooled seats and Bose stereos have their place in the slow commute home. But around the end of the summer, the nice riding weather begins here and days spent in the mountains in sunshine with a cool breeze and low 20C's/70F's makes one cheerier than a cheer leaders debut. What would I currently buy (well this week anyway) funds permitting? Still hard for me to ignore a wet-head GS in white/silver-grey with spoked wheels. the fact our good friend and mentor Kevin passed away whilst riding one still bugs the hell out of me. But IMPO, I think that BMW might have fixed what could have been broke with that bike prior to general public release. I can only go by my own impression when riding it, and for me (cliché than it undoubtedly is) it can genuinely do everything that bike, balancing fun and agility with comfort and practicality for the long haul of both distance and ownership. The bells and whistles bottom line price can make a man question his sanity, but it's very accomplished and has gained a useful jump in power, and I never met a horsepower that I didn't like.

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Wow. That's quite a post.

I have a cutoff somewhere signed by Dumpy of the Rusty Nuts fame, it's alongside Samantha Fox's.

Now stop waffling and just get something, anything, with two wheels and an engine!

Never met a bike I didn't like....
(Apart from my sisters RS250 - but even then only because it had been crashed so many times the frame bent one way, the forks another and both wheels were buckled)

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Quote: "Now stop waffling and just get something, anything, with two wheels and an engine!"

:D

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Thank you, Captain, for your wisdom on the VFR. I was about to regret my new purchase, when I read a very positive review of the VFR (on Visordown, I think). Your words helped a bit. Even though I think I remember you not talking too positively about my "new" bike either: A FJR from 2006. Done 5000 km (yes 600 km a year!) with its first owner before I took it over end of March. Already more than doubled that with a quick Easter trip to Southern France from Denmark. After 25 years on my old XJ900F with absolutely no problems, I chose to stay with Yamaha. Was considering the new GS, but two issues counted against it: My wife's Parkinsson's makes it hard for her to climb a tallrounder. And the 180% registration tax in DK makes (hardly) used bikes more attractive. The second argument killed our brief love affair with the beautiful new RT as well: after all 42000 Euro is some kind of money. Hard to get used to the FJR windscreen though: Original Yamaha touring screen. Sends turbulent air up around the helmet with buffeting as result. In cross wind, quite violent at times. The XJ had a much lower screen, so the air around the helmet was relatively "clean" in comparison. High speed traveling on the autobahn therefore less of a joy than what I had hoped for. Should look into an alternate screen, I guess. Unfortunately, the original lower screen was not included.

Welcome back on two wheels soon, Captain!

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Moda said: The XJ had a much lower screen, so the air around the helmet was relatively "clean" in comparison. "

Laminar?

I hate screens. The only screen I ever got on with was on my zx6. Perfect.

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Cap'm said: "Dump a lit match onto a barrel of 95 RON gasoline and hey presto. No eyebrows. But that’s not important right now. But the combustion is very efficient in the burning sense (and there’s not much sense in combustion not being a burning sense). But put it through an automobile (that’s a ‘car’ for Europeans watching) and it’s only about 20% efficient as an end product. JAG could bore you for days backing up this theory. And Pitsy could knock holes in that graph until the cows come home. But trust your old Uncle Scarlet, that the bottom line is inefficient and dirty, a bit like a cheap painted lady… allegedly.

By contrast our StarWars EV era sees about an 80% efficient transition from the ever improving batteries to the rear hoops. The width of which on the BMW i3 is about as skinny as my last Harley’s rear rubber incidentally. So it’s clean, it’s green, it’s efficient. But what about the cons?"

How efficient is the machine making the electricity? How clean?

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CS said " If both pistons could use the same conrod, then it wouldn't be a problem, but in an opposed engine either the left or right cyclinders will have to be a conrods width in front of their mirror image; "

Forked conrods have been used in the past. Also "piggy back" conrods.

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"How efficient is the machine making the electricity? How clean?"
... very. But it depends where you live. A jaw-dropping 99% of electricity in Norway is harvested purely via very green methods such as wind farms and sea wave machines. The 1% is typically imported from Russia during the winter and is not so green as it's nuclear. However, it's also important to remember two things. Firstly nuclear power is a well controlled lean burn, so efficient, even if it is fossil fuel that creates the flames. Secondly I remember a very convincing article from Kevin debunking the greenhouse theory as a money making scam. Conspiracy theory? As I'm not Mel Gibson I couldn't really say. But electric production and expend can be greener than the jolly green giant. Corn-tastic! :-D

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Hi cap'n.

I'm a fan of wind turbines and sea power but I'm not sure they're that efficient in conversion of energy? At least the stuff is free and there are no by products.

Nuclear? Dunno, pretty efficient? But as for being clean. Depends on your definition of clean.

If all the vehicles in all the world were suddenly converted to electric, what impact would that have on power generation output figures? In other words, on a global scale, how much power does travel actually consume?

How much need it consume?

Anyhoo. Sod the lekky. This is more like it. :)

http://www.confederate.com.au/r131-fighter

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Interesting question pittsy,

As I see it one simple answer in most cases is that sooner or later we all end up back home so the actual total displacement of almost all trips is zero. We start from home and return back to home.

Too much beer me thinks

JAG

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Just got back from a very enjoyable ride. 1 V Strom, 1 tent, 1000 (mostly motorway free) miles and 5 days, arrived in many places but ultimately went nowhere. But then the aim was to travel rather than arrive. Bit like beer. Ultimately nothing is left the process is pleasant.

I tend to buy the green argument but not the transport bit. The process of endlessly producing endless goods with built in obsolescence that people don't really need must surely be the thing that will bring about our destruction.

And yes, my latest is an old Indian made Bullet. No built in obsolescence there....