I said the Brammus earlier, I meant the Brammo Empulse R. I think it's a 2.5 to 3 hour charge time, with a 100 mile range and 100 mph top speed.
A pretty good looking machine by all accounts and Brammo are developing the batteries themselves as those designed for cars aren't specialized enough apparently, for reasons I know not.
Sixty is about 4.4 seconds I seem to recall from somewhere. Not big-bike fast, but as quick as a Porsche Cayman S with PDK, Sports-Chrono and launch control - so still no slouch for a bike typically aimed at the urban commuter.
But lets be totally pessimistic about the manufacturers claims, lets face it none of them have really done themselves any favors on the honesty front when it comes to EV's.
So lets say it's a five hour charge time to run at a steady 80 mph for 80 miles.
Now that might be both inconvenient and paltry when come the weekend some owners want to make like Ewan Obi-san and ride off to Kahzikstan for their supper.
But if most people were totally honest, if used Mon-Fri on their commute, with the occaisonal local weekend runs, it would be ample.
The charge time would be irrelevant if you typically cook dinner and watch TV when you get home. An 80 mph cruise in rush hour might just be a utopian dream to many on their grid-lock crawl home. And if not, 80 mph just fine and dandy for most travelling on a Motorway/Interstate in rush hour. And most of us probably don't travel more than forty miles to get to work - even me old mucka Shuggs I shouldn't coco! :-D
So in some ways, even though I don't want to be an early adopter, there's no reason that say - in my personal circumstances - an EV bike such as the Brammus Empulse R couldn't 'already' satisfy all my commuting needs.
The biggest stumbling block for most riders is not so much the available performance or cost of an EV motorcycle, so much as getting over the mental block of familiarity.
Although, certainly many will most probably never take to them, because they are in love with the mechanical sounds and smells of a conventional (read: noisy and smelly!) gas engine. And vive la difference. I'd quite like a Hellcat Challenger (YouTube it) just for the engine, and an EV, just for the (lack of) engine too. There's room for everything!
Good to see you're not sitting on the fence there Pittsy! Fair points made though it must be said.
Interestingly on a 160 mile round trip for work the other day my Triumph Sprint GT managed some 13 miles/litre. Giving some 58-59Mpg. Pretty good.
But back to EVs - I'd love to try one and have one as an alternative to my 'Normal' car/bike. Therein lies the problem though - Until people can see them being their 'Main' vehicle (For all the reasons mentioned in previous posts) then they will struggle.
Perception - It's a killer sometimes!
NB said: "Good to see you're not sitting on the fence there Pittsy! Fair points made though it must be said."
I was only joking (well mostly anyway). Although the bit about the money, I can accept bacs transfer.
That's great performance Navy Boy, certainly better than the England football team put in!
That's a very long commute. You must love your job, or riding long distances every day - and why not!
Have you changed your avatar pittsy? I don't recall the monkeying around. Well I do, just not the monkey in the picture. Or is it a gibbon? Handy for ape-hangers no doubt.
CS said: "Have you changed your avatar pittsy? I don't recall the monkeying around. Well I do, just not the monkey in the picture. Or is it a gibbon? Handy for ape-hangers no doubt."
Nope. Still the same- now where did I put me keys?- pose.
Looks like a chimp, I guess. Dunno.
Time for a new conversation methinks. The Captain has started to go mad - he's starting to use VW's for performance comparison purposes.
Not rising to it Shuggs me old mucka. BTW, how's that Audi going? ;-D
Spankingly well thank you - all three of them.
This could be fun. Polaris (owners of Victory and Indian motorcycles, amongst other companies) are just about to release a good compromise between a sportscar and sportsbike: http://youtu.be/o0RhrBZObdg
It is a post-modern interpretation of the Morgan three-wheeler, IMHO.
I think they are quite bold with a project like this, in our times.
Morgan trikes are still sold I believe, using S&S Harley-a-like V-twin engines. They cost a ridiculous $75k or so I'm let to believe in the States.
I saw one last year at the British Day in Norcross, GA. And it was very pretty indeed.
But this is about third of the price with a lot more performance. It won't have as much character, but I bet it's pretty characterful still.
Polaris already have many years experience making these types of machine, the CAN-AM Spyder for instance.
That was pretty shonky when it first appeared. And I remember the dearly departed Kevin saying he'd ridden one and it was not something he wanted to experience again!
However, the latest version uses a powerful 1300cc engine and has had many significant upgrades, making it handle and ride well; so a lot of fun... if you like that sort of thing.
I'm not sure a trike would be for me. Although I do like the idea of reverse gear on heavy bikes as my garage is slightly uphill and I'm getting fatter... erm, older! :-D
Willing to give it a go if someone chucks the keys my way though. I have two Polaris dealers within twenty miles of my abode, so I'll give it a coat of looking at once available.
75k for the 3 wheels is hilarious, really…
I know the new M Plus 8 is (in Europe) more or less EUR 100k, plus options. Compared to the price of the three-wheeler, it looks like really good value for money, considering it is propelled by a BMW V8 (I believe the word "propelled" describes it correctly…).
Well it's been a long time coming, and that's a fact. But I've finally got myself into a position to buy another bike again - hurrah! :-D
I've not been interested in anything Japanese for at least 15 years, but tinged with some rose tinted shades of the original and buoyed onwards by excellent launch and YouTube demo reviews, I've placed my order.
I'm not sure when delivery will be, most probably in the next 60 days sometime... I have ordered a Honda Africa Twin CRF1000 in Dakar Rally Red, with the DCT box.
I wanted my next bike to be very comfortable, smooth, have good ergonomics, decent looks, great build, perceived reliability, work well as a genuine all-rounder (including some dual-sports / fire-trails riding when the mood takes), be relatively affordable and something with potential to please beyond initial years of ownership.
Some random thoughts:
- The AT is Tiger 800 money, with bigger bike appeal
- Most hacks seem to prefer this v2 DCT on & off-road
- Super smooth seamless changes with the DCT, ideal two-up
- Same power, weight, price as a Tiger, but more torque
- Honda build quality and reliability is legendary
- Proper off-road capability and lighter than 12XX'S
- Frugality (60 mpg), giving decent range (250 miles)
- Suspension apparently excellent (comfortable ride)
- Good looking machine, especially with off-road tyres
- Graphics bold & characterful (for a Honda!)
- ABS, drive modes and traction control levels standard
- Useful performance at real-world speeds
Well I'll let you know what it's like when I get it. Shopping this weekend for a Klim riding suit a new Arai Tour/X4 - well, gotta look the part too haven't I? ;-D
P.S. These sort of reviews helped convinced me: https://youtu.be/KexKW7gP0ow?list=PLHartg2H7_QtqAg0n5AytX5NxoexHSdRm
Good luck with that CS. I watched the review you linked to at the bottom - an amusing style I must admit!
Let us know when yours arrives and you've had a chance to try it out.
Nice one CS. I'll be curious to see what you make of it.
Here in New Zealand they are actually slightly cheaper than the XC version of the Tiger 800 though the VStrom 1000 still undercuts them both.
Post us some pics when you get your hands on it will 'ya.
Be interesting to see if the bike lives up to the hype. Let us know how you get on.
Genuinely sorry to hear You are still waiting Scarlet. I now have one albeit without DCT or ABS. Right place and right time. I believe it will live up to many of your expectations above, but not all. I will not elaborate unless You wish it. However it is a very good motorcycle and does most of what I require of it. Pity about that earthquake.
Just back from Bora Bora (lovely!).
Glad you got your AT Grump!
The forum guys in the U.S. are saying there's an official memo saying initial deliveries to the US will now begin in the fall. But many dealers / deposit holders believe we're talking 2017 now.
Anyway, with nothing two-wheeled in the garage, I simply got fed up with waiting and switched my order with the same dealer. I collected a Ducati Monster 1200 R on Wednesday.
Key spec includes: Ohlins front and rear, Marchesini forged wheels, Brembo radial mono-blocs, 200 section rear with sticky Pirelli's, TFT color dash, ABS, TC, rider modes, carbon front mudguard, Corse tail unit, yadder...
It's looks gorgeous and feels a little barking mad too - which is no bad thing. I'm sure it'll be a lot fun when I get to ride it - as it was 110F on Saturday!
Off to the mountains for a shakedown test on Friday, when it'll be a positively 'chilly' 93F going by the forecast!
Nice work CS. Don't forget to post some pictures. I'm currently running my Sprint GT in Auckland as my transport to and from the airport. What a lovely bike it still is
Yes, that Ducati is a mad bike.
I considered my KTM 950SM in that category somewhat. I remember when I purchased it in 2006 I found it difficult to go anywhere other than at speed on it. I finally parted with it after 8 years. I have to admit though, that it was probably the most fun I ever had on a motorcycle when I had possession of all of my faculties to ride it properly.
Best of luck with it.
A little fun I had on the Tail of the Dragon a couple of weeks ago. Unless other vehicles are in view it looks dog-slow. I think that's because I'm 6ft 2" tall and mounted the camera another few inches up on top of my helmet - so high and always kept vertical - lesson learnt, next time I'll stick it to the side of the radiator! https://youtu.be/uvNDGyHUoJU
Good one CS.
Plenty of bikes around and you and the Monster zip past the traffic!
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